Banishing 'maths phobia' with Dr Eugenia Cheng

Eugenia Cheng is a mathematician, concert pianist... and baker. She's dedicated her career to tackling the fear of maths that she thinks is preventing talented people from studying the subject. Eugenia tells Anne-Marie how her discovery that her students would pay more attention if lectures involved food led to her publishing a best-selling book combining baking with mathematics. And she describes how playing complex piano pieces connects with her love of numbers. They also discuss Eugenia's new book X+Y: A Mathematician's Manifesto for Rethinking Gender, which is out now. You can hear her music on her website

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