We ring up director Dan Reed to discuss his sensational documentary, Leaving Neverland, which is all anyone else is talking about. We deep-dive into the allegations against Michael Jackson - so long, brushed over - and what Reed's documentary teaches us about child sex abuse, trauma, grooming, the aura of celebrity and how the internet has changed popular culture - and accountability - for the better.

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To The Woman, an Audible Originals series https://adbl.co/2HwwPTC

Ordinary People, by Diane Evans https://bit.ly/2OhAK6Z

Life Itself, on Sky or Amazon Prime

Dirty John, on Netflix and podcast, by The LA Times https://lat.ms/2ui8mIW

Louis Theroux, The Night In Question https://bbc.in/2ES7C3f

Color and Light, by Sally Rooney for The New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/18/color-and-light

Everybody Died, So I Got a Dog, by Emily Dean https://bit.ly/2HIVTGf

Calypso, by David Sedaris https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/David-Sedaris/Calypso/23638009

Is Jair Bolsonaro the New Trump of South America? By Matt Sandy for GQ https://bit.ly/2TeTYLH

Eva Wiseman on flying with babies, for The Guardian https://bit.ly/2UK82hw

Leaving Neverland, on Channel 4 https://bit.ly/2C626Z8

What Michael Jackson sold us: https://bit.ly/2FiRXJb

Michael Jackson's trick was to groom an entire culture, by Emma Brockes for The Guardian https://bit.ly/2JrGaxy

A Day of Reckoning for Michael Jackson, by Amanda Petrusich for The New Yorker https://bit.ly/2HbTovK

Leaving Neverland and Surviving R.Kelly Ask Too Much of Victims, by Nylah Burton for Vulture https://bit.ly/2Y9W2Iv

Dan Reed interview, by Jonathan Dean for The Sunday Times Culture https://bit.ly/2UMKSr4

Dan Reed interview, by Bilge Ebiri for Vulture https://bit.ly/2IcPHYT

Tracy Emin at The White Cube https://whitecube.com/exhibitions/exhibition/tracey_emin_bermondsey_2019

City of Girls by Elizabeth Gilbert: https://www.amazon.co.uk/City-Girls-Elizabeth-Gilbert/dp/1408867044/ref=nodl_

Elizabeth Gilbert on Hello Monday: https://apple.co/2FoQZwm

Marlon James on Desert Island Discs: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0003cqx

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