With huge thanks to Greg Jenner for sharing this interview with Jonathan Hirshler, CEO of Data Science company Signify, which he did for a BBC Radio 4 series that he was making. The series is called Past Forward, and in this he is played a piece of audio from the BBC archive and has to make a programme about it.

Greg was played newsreel from before the England v Argentina match in the World Cup in 1998, and so made the programme about the Beckham backlash and how it compares to modern online abuse.

The episode of Past Forward in question is available here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0013955

This interview also covers 'The Y-Word' and Jonathan has some absolutely fascinating insights.

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