Vetting the future: ASIO's progress towards a fairer security clearance process

What are the common myths around the security clearance vetting process? 

How has the process changed over the years, and what reforms have ASIO undertaken to ensure fairness? 

And how will a more diverse workforce help the national security community? 

In this episode, Caroline van Heuzen and Carl Chang talk to Ewan Macmillan and Vanessa from ASIO about the highest-level security clearance vetting process and how it is changing to be more inclusive. 


Vanessa is a Vetting Analyst at the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO). 

Ewan Macmillan is the Deputy Director General for vetting at ASIO. 

Caroline van Heuzen is a Deputy Head at the ANU National Security College on secondment from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet. 

Carl Chang is co-leader of the Mission Management Division at the Office of National Intelligence (ONI) and is ONI's Cultural and Linguistic Diversity Champion. 


Show notes:   


We’d love to hear from you! Send in your questions, comments, and suggestions to You can tweet us @NSC_ANU and be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out on future episodes. The National Security Podcast is available on Acast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts. 

Hosted on Acast. See for more information.