Is Wales really setting the COVID agenda for the rest of the UK? As the “firebreak” comes down, former special advisor to First Minister Mark Drakeford turned political consultant Cathy Owens talks to Jude Rogers. Is Wales responding better to lockdowns than England? What is the pandemic doing to support for Welsh nationalism? And why it’s not all about trying to keep English tourists out.

Audio note: Includes sound effects live from Cardiff!

• “This is a time for boring competent leadership, not Churchillian speeches and promising the moon.”
• “We don’t want Boris and his chums to be in charge of Wales.”
• “Wales leading Westminster? That’s the opposite of what we see happening here.”
• “People in Wales voted for Ukip just like the English. We do get the Daily Mail here…”

Presented by Jude Rogers. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producers: Jelena Sofronijevic and Jacob Archbold. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Audio production by Alex Rees. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production

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