"Let Birds Be Birds": On VINE Sanctuary, with pattrice jones

Part 4 of my 4-part series on animal agency! An interview with pattrice jones of VINE Sanctuary. We talk about building a just multispecies community, the trouble with effective altruism, and the sexism of the dairy industry.

For more on VINE Sanctuary: https://vinesanctuary.org/

For my prior interview with Lori Gruen and Alice Crary: https://shows.acast.com/storytelling-animals/episodes/animal-crisis-a-new-critical-theory-alice-crary-lori-gruen

For their effective altruism book, to which pattrice contributes: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-good-it-promises-the-harm-it-does-9780197655702?cc=us&lang=en&

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