Last weekend, Stories of our times won the award for interview of the year at the British Podcast Awards. The judges said: "This standout interview was a well-executed and compelling listen, which didn't shy away from challenging its subject."

So today we're listening back to that interview with the then Chief of the Defence Staff, General Sir Nick Carter, about the changing face of war and Britain's place in the world.

This episode was first published on 23 March 2021.

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Guest: General Sir Nick Carter, Chief of the Defence Staff, 2018-2021. 

Host: Manveen Rana. 

Clips: British Podcast Awards, BBC, AP, ITV, Times Radio.

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