Stephanie’s back! Well, technically she’s in her flat eating ice cream and proof-reading her PhD thesis, but she very kindly agreed to co-host this week’s episode. This week we are talking about de-industrialisation. From the north of England to the American rustbelt, there are many parts of the western world that were once economic powerhouses, but have since seen the factories and jobs that once drove them drain away. So why have some cities done so much better than others at making the transition to the service economy? And what can we do about those that remain? To dig into this issue further, we talk to two cities that have been through this transition, but now seem to be bouncing back. Grant Ervin is the chief resilience officer for the city of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Duncan Booker does the same job across the Atlantic in Glasgow, Scotland. They tell Jonn a little about their cities’ histories, and how they managed to turn things round. Skylines is the podcast from the New Statesman's cities site, CityMetric. It's hosted by Jonn Elledge and Stephanie Boland. Skylines is supported by 100 Resilient Cities. Pioneered by the Rockefeller Foundation, 100RC is dedicated to helping cities around the world become more resilient to the physical, social and economic challenges that are a growing part of the 21st century.