Arthur and Brian Dowling Gourounlian : The Third Act

Topics covered : Divine timing, hope, fear, trolling, homophobia, birth experience, surrogacy, legal process, parenthood, grief, social media, manifesting, destiny.  

In this episode I catch up with Brian and Arthur on the release of their book, ‘Modern Family’.

This is the third time I’ve recorded a conversation with them both, and if you fancy tuning into the earlier episodes (released 20th March 2020 and 25th June 2022) feel free to listen back.

We sat down to speak a few weeks ago on the 4th of October and this is by far the most emotional and vulnerable they have both been in any conversation I have ever heard with them, as their book reveals more than they ever have before; including Arthur’s upbringing and being a refugee, and the difficult news they received on their path to parenthood.

And we also pick up where we left off the last time we spoke, as they talk us through the day Blake was born, life now as Fathers and their hopes to expand their family.

Prepare to laugh and cry.


Book : ‘Modern Family – Births, marriages, deaths and everything in between’ is available online and in all good bookshops now.

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