The PDM office are stuck twiddling their thumbs waiting for Issue 13 to arrive from the printers at some point in the next hour and a bit.

Whilst we're going to have a full podcast dedicated to the issue soon, we chat about the "making of" process and some of the stuff that goes into creating the magazine - until the van arrives. No outtakes at the start, so feel free to skip 42 seconds - or enjoy the intro and have a dance.

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