In a special edition, Michael talks to the actual Mark Watson - best known as his co-host - about facing his biggest enemy, writing to Nelson Mandela, and the Grim Reaper.

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Recorded and edited by Lianne Coop at Impatient Productions. Artwork by Haiminh Le.

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