Zoe is flying solo this week whilst G is on a much-deserved break, and it's quite the chat with the wonderful Brian Dowling!

Brian talks Zoe through his journey to fatherhood from the stigma of being in a gay couple, the decision for his incredible sister Aiofe to be his surrogate, and his expectations for the early days.

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