What if the reason poverty persists in capitalist democracies like the US and Britain is because the rest of us benefit from it? What if the solution means facing up to the ways we all profit from the exploitation of low-income people? Pulitzer Prize winning author Matthew Desmond joins the podcast to discuss his radical new book Poverty, By America with Tom Clark, editor of new book Broke: Fixing Britain's poverty crisis and Sarah Collins, assistant editor at Prospect.

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