145. Scratchy Towels and Soft Play Areas with Elis James and John Robins

This week on Fortunately, Fi and Jane welcome along BBC Radio 5Live's Elis James and John Robins.

The Friday afternoon presenters and hosts of the How Do You Cope? podcast chat to Fi and Jane. The four of them discuss the changes to supermarket shopping, football behind closed doors, former TS Eliot Prize winners and the best way to dry your towels.

Before Elis and John arrive Fi and Jane consider ways to cheer up the nation and ruminate on the possibility of alien life forms.

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