Man Booker winning author DBC Pierre and Booker Prize long listed author Sophie Mackintosh join Joe Haddow to talk about writing nocturnally, big tech, social media, maternal instincts, talking about death and how our hoovers might be feeding data to companies we don't know about.

In the Book Off, Henri Charriere's "Papillon" is put up against "All My Puny Sorrows" by Mirian Toewes, but which book will win?

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